Adam Torres and Myntillae Nash discuss empathy and mental health.
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As entrepreneurs it’s important to take time to focus on our mental health. In this episode, Adam Torres interviewed Myntillae Nash, Founder & Senior UX/UI Designer at Myntifresh Designs. Explore the role of mental health in the workplace and Myntillae’s book, Mission Matters: World’s Leading Entrepreneurs Reveal Their Top Tips To Success (Business Leaders Edition Vol. 10).
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About Myntillae Nash
Myntillae is a User Experience and Visual Interface Designer with 20 years of experience in graphic, branding, web design, and interface design, and 8 years of experience in experience design.
Developing business concepts related to the holistic user experience, building brands, and designing beautiful and functional interfaces has been a major focus of her work.
Myntillae is also a business owner and UX/UI consultant, she intends to use her branding, design, and coding experience, to focus on developing exceptional user experiences and interfaces for small and medium sized companies in the technology, software, and e-commerce world.
About Myntifresh Designs
Myntifresh Designs offers a variety of user experience design services to meet your unique needs including product strategy, UX audits, prototypes, product design, web design and branding.
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Hey, I’d like to welcome you to another episode of Mission Matters. My name is Adam Torres. And if you’d like to be a part of our community, head on over to missionmatters. com forward slash community. All right. So I am so thrilled and excited to welcome back to the show. Mentele Nash, who’s the founder and senior UX UI designer over at Minty Fresh Designs.
We’ve been working on this book together for, I don’t know, the last year or so. And it’s. Finally out and into the public, into the universe. First off, Hey, I just want to say welcome back to the show. Thank you, Adam. Oh my gosh. So we got, we got a lot to talk about. So overall topic and theme, mental health and empathy in the workplace, we’ll talk about the book.
So mental health is the driving force behind the success of your business or product, and we will also get into, of course what, what you’re doing over at minty fresh designs. But before we do all that. We’ll start this episode the way that we start them all with our mission matters minute. So I’m going to like we at mission matters, we amplify stories for entrepreneurs, executives, and experts.
That’s our mission. What mission matters to you? Well, currently the mission that matters to me the most is promoting. mental health and good environment, like healthy environments in a workspace, because I think it makes a long term difference for either collaborations or employees you have, and especially leadership, because I feel like that affects a lot, or I should say establishes a lot of the environment that we work in on a day to day basis.
And if that’s a healthy place to be, then we’ll all flourish. I feel like in our personal lives as well, since Work is such a big portion of our daily lives. Yeah. No, I completely agree with you. And I want to maybe go a little bit and thank you for sharing that, of course. But I want to go a little bit further.
And again, like there’s a lot of different things that you could have written about, right? There’s a lot of different things that you could have contributed to the community and to the book. Why do you feel like bringing awareness to mental health issues specifically in the workplace was just such an important topic?
Thank you. Well for me just based on my own personal experience and maybe I’ve just observed this a lot in the Tech industry. I know that’s not the only industry that these issues exist in this is one that i’ve personally Like lived my life in a lot because i’ve worked at various tech companies before and I work with a lot of tech companies and just a lot of Different types of businesses in general, but when I was working full time for some other businesses, I just noticed a lot of the Influence and in this case, I would say negative influence Unfortunately of not having mental health be a priority and when I think of that, I think a lot of things like kind of like lack of emotional intelligence or just very demanding environments that like, I guess I would, let me elaborate on that a little bit.
I feel like there are times where projects or things are demanding of Employees like if we’re like rolling out or launching a huge new feature or a new product or something like that Like that makes sense every once in a while We’re gonna have stressful times or more demands put on us while yeah Something is happening right where we have a big deadline to meet but I’ve seen it where it was just like it was a chronic Daily thing, which I feel like people can survive that for a short period of time or live through it.
I don’t know if survive is a word. It is, but I feel like it gets to a point where it does turn into literal survival mode and then Life, life in this sense, I guess your work life becomes very heavy and just like, it’s just, it’s a lot. And I’ve seen the negative effects on that. And it’s even worse when it like comes.
From like top down, like with leadership, because I feel like they influence so much of the environment that their employees are in, or I’ve also seen it. Just even in my work life before, when I felt like I didn’t prioritize my mental health. So I was working with partners or clients or. You know, different people and not necessarily having the healthiest of.
relationships with them or just kind of tolerating stuff that wasn’t good for me. And sometimes we don’t even notice that that’s what’s happening at first. I would point that out. Like, I feel like it takes some time. Often
mental health is like being affected or physically we start to see symptoms or just realize we’re not functioning as well as we used to or not thriving as much. So I’ve seen both ends of the spectrum where I’ve… Even I myself have not been functional, like, or I got to that point at a previous job that I had before just because, like, the environment was not great.
I’ve also done that before in my own business where I think I was just taking what I could get because I didn’t think that I deserved better or that I could have more success than I was having. And so I just, I tolerated a lot of garbage. So put it lightly, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. But I got to a point at one point in time, like I had some hard life lessons that forced me to change a lot of that because I was like, I don’t feel like people should have to live like this all the time just to have a paycheck.
Like, I don’t believe that that’s what we’re meant to do. experience in our day to day lives. Like, of course, like, not every day is going to be perfect. But when it feels like, oh, when we’re not like, it’s more than just like, oh, I’m tired. And adulting is rough sometimes. And I don’t want to go to work. It’s more it’s more than that, when it feels unpleasant to be in that work environment.
I guess that’s what I’m driving at is that we can promote Some of that change, like we may not have full control over, especially if we’re, um, if some people here listening, you know, if you aren’t leaders at your business or whatever, but I feel like if you work on changing yourself, or at least speaking up whenever possible, or setting boundaries and not tolerating.
Negative behaviors. Yeah, I think that can help a lot because we can get really drained and I just think of the long term, like I think in the short term, like I was saying earlier, we can, we can survive that to an extent, or we can live through it. But once you get to that point where you’re just Not functioning or feeling different or it’s just like it’s really hard to be at work and draining and like for me I’ve felt a lot of different like literal physical symptoms based on this but when you’re at that point, like it’s really hard to recover and And for other entrepreneurs, I’d say out there or leaders, like you have a higher tendency of losing a lot of good people you could be working with, not just good people, any people, but like the worst is when you’re losing good employees or good partners or good people because you’re burning them out because of unrealistic expectations or not prioritizing.
Like people’s mental health or their well being. I think there’s a good balance, you know, between kind of pushing that a little bit. But like, I don’t feel like we have to be extreme. Like, I don’t think you even have to be anywhere close to extreme to have like good relationships with people or treat people better.
Because like, if you foster a good environment where people feel like they’re cared about, they’ll work hard. for you. I think that just comes naturally and people enjoy working in those kinds of environments and you’ll keep people for longer and people or even if they’re not your employees or they’re your clients or partners or whatever people will work with you for a long time or you’ll also want to work with them for a long time instead of having to feel like you have to convince them to stay or convince yourself to stay if you’re like in that position where things just feel.
Miserable on a daily basis like I don’t know I feel like we’re meant to enjoy life like life’s not going to be perfect but like if our mental health is just like crumbling like It’s not worth it in my opinion and so yeah, I don’t know having having lived through a lot of that negative stuff in my life I just feel like I don’t want to watch other people go through that for like no reason I think we can change things but sometimes We’re unaware or we think we can just work our way out of it somehow and sometimes like we can’t we just have to make changes Yeah.
And so one of the things that you do in your, and thank you for sharing that. And, and one of the things that you do in the book is you share some ways for people to kind of like establish maybe a little bit more balanced, whether it’s, you know, exercise mindfulness, I mean, you go through a lot of them, maybe talk a little bit about, about the solution and maybe some of the things that are under our control, whether you’re, you know, one of those leaders or, or if you’re, you’re working for somebody as an employee, way.
Like either way, there are some things and that’s where I got a lot of hope out of out of your writing and just even out of the tone and the sense of it. So maybe again, tell us some of those, those tools we can walk away with. Well, the first thing I want to point out is just a reminder to everyone, I guess, is we can’t control what other people do.
I know that’s annoying sometimes. So So annoying, we have to remember, I mean, it’s hard when we, we can see that things could be better or could change. Right. But like, yeah, the only person we really can control is ourselves. And so when we focus on ourselves, I think the first key is just awareness. But I talk a lot more about kind of practical ways of Things we can put into practice that, for me, has helped me in my life develop awareness.
I feel like, first off, if we don’t have awareness, we can’t really improve ourselves. Or we don’t know what needs to be improved or how we can improve. So I feel like… I’ve done things like try to be better at prioritizing like a work life balance and what I mean by that. I know we hear that word a lot and a lot of people probably have different opinions about it or what does that mean?
But for me, like, and it’s taken a lot of practice over time, making sure that I actually take time. for myself, especially as an entrepreneur before I was very, very inclined to just work 24 seven, like all the time. And I knew I had just kind of like subconscious, like trauma stuff that I haven’t dealt with in my life, which I think kind of created that behavior in me.
But as I worked through a lot of that stuff and started prioritizing, like, it’s okay. It’s like, you don’t. This is me talking to myself. I’m like, you don’t have to be working all the time, like all day. Like, I functioned well, doing well, however you want to define well. I did that for a period of time until, like, I crashed and burned, basically, because I thought I could just…
Do everything. And it didn’t matter if I didn’t take breaks or not. Mm-Hmm. . But when I, but when I started prioritizing my own personal life and like my own personal time for myself and like Mm-Hmm. developing hobbies or, it’s not like you necessarily have to develop a new hobby. Like, yeah, you can , that’s what’s right for you, but even if it’s just like going back to things that you enjoy or just making time.
For that stuff or even you don’t have to be spending a whole lot of time like actually doing a whole lot But if you just carve time to just rest and like recharge I think that’s really important because Yeah, eventually I can attest to this just from personal experience at some point, even if you’re okay right now, you will completely burn out at some point in time.
Like if you don’t do that for yourself. And so once I started doing that for myself, I think I started being aware of my own needs and it was actually weird that I used to think, Oh, I have to work like all the time to be successful. And if I don’t, then I’m going to fail and everything’s going to fall apart.
It was interesting, once I started prioritizing stuff like that more, and like, taking care of my body and exercising and different things, like, I actually started to see more success and I wasn’t having to kill myself. Wow. In the process of doing so. Which was like, maybe for some people that comes easier to them.
I don’t know, but for me, like I really had this belief before that I had to work myself to death in order to be successful or to have any value or feel like it was a good entrepreneur or even just a good person probably in general. But now I actually believe the opposite. Like you don’t. You don’t actually have to, you shouldn’t have to kill yourself in order to be successful.
Like I think we can, like work doesn’t have to be our entire lives. Like I guess power to you if, if that is what it is. For you, but I would like to think that we can Equally enjoy our personal life as much as our work life and still have our businesses and our work life like succeed and thrive like I believe that for all of us and I think When we prioritize both, like we actually become better professionals in the workplace whether you’re a leader actually running a company or managing a team or whether you’re just a regular employee working for someone else or maybe working with other people, clients or something like that yeah, I, I think sometimes we get it backwards and especially I feel like in this, hustle culture, wherever this came from in our society.
Like I don’t think we need to do that. Like, I don’t know. I, I feel like we get bombarded with a lot of negative messages that actually. Negatively affect our mental health and we don’t really realize it because we think we have to be doing this, or we have to do that. Like a lot of the times, my genuine advice is just like, listen to your body and what it’s telling you.
Like, like, are you burnt out? Like, okay, then figure out how do you need to take a step back or how or what do you need to do to recover and rejuvenate yourself and like feel better. And because I think if we’re just constantly burnt out all the time or. Not putting our needs like I think there’s a fine balance of knowing how to Prioritize your needs but also, you know, like your work needs and stuff, but if work always comes above Your own needs then.
Yeah. Yeah, you’re prone. You’re prone to severe burnout some point in time, or you’re going to be angry a lot of the times, or you’re not going to enjoy the day to day, or you might struggle to get up and actually do your job or work with people. Like, I’ve been there. I’ve been through it all. I have a lot to say about a lot of things, but I just feel like the burnout is like, it’s a hard lesson.
Yeah. To learn. But like, we can avoid it if we’re careful and just aware and in tune with what our body is telling us and actually listening to it and obeying it. Yeah. One of the things that I love about bringing you on the show is that, especially to speak into the tech community, because a lot of your words and things you say.
Say like you don’t hear come out in my opinion, or at least in media from the tech community enough, like we, we, they, we glamor a lot of media glamorizes this idea of like working constantly. And you know, the, the American way, right? Like that’s pretty much how it’s been, I think misconstrued, but I love bringing you on here to be that other side of other voice, that other thing.
Like, even for myself, like you give me permission. I’m like, wait a minute. When’s the last time I took a break or let myself have. some time to kind of just be right. Because I feel like a lot of entrepreneurs, especially those that are pretty like just day to day into their, their world or their bubble of entrepreneurship, they forget myself included, I’ll pick on me.
That, Hey, there’s more to life than than than just your work. Right. So I guess what, what I get, what I’m getting at is how does, there’s going to be a lot of business owners, entrepreneurs, executives, just people, right, that’ll watch this. How do you know or what are the kind of the the telltale signs that maybe it’s time to readjust and you’re you’re hitting going towards either whatever word we want to use burnout time to take a break whatever the word is or whatever the state of being is like are there some warning signs that let you know so you don’t have to go all the way over the edge and maybe if they watch this they could be like oh I I get it like I need to maybe reassess some things Yeah first off, I would definitely like to point out the signs are going to be different from person to person because everybody’s bodies are different.
And what we’ve been through is different. So I can speak to my personal experience. And some of those things might be the same for other people might be different, but I can speak to my experience and things that I’ve also seen. Yeah. In just, like, my work experience over the last, like, couple decades I know some of the big things for me at least, well, okay, so I’m, like, thinking of a big time that was, like, the sign of when that’s It was like so obvious to me that I needed to change a lot of stuff in my life.
And at that point I was experiencing an extreme amount of fatigue. Like not just like a, Oh, it’s different than we have some days where we wake up a little tired. Yeah. This was, it was chronic. It was ongoing. And I felt like no relief, even after several nights of quality rest for like, You know, normal times like what seven, eight hours of sleep, you know, like the recommended times and yeah, I wasn’t feeling like Any different.
I remember feeling signs of dissociation and bright brain fog. Like I remember working at one job before where I was, I was in such a stressful environment and I didn’t feel this right away. Like I felt him months like down the road, even though I could. Like, I guess that’s another thing. I guess before I get into that, now that I’m thinking about this, it was like, sometimes we just have a sense that something’s off, like, whether it’s how we’re being treated at work, even if it’s maybe not like blatantly in our face, like in the very beginning.
And it can get worse over time. I’ve experienced that too. And sometimes it’s learning to just trust our gut with that. But for me, I like, I remember not really listening to that. And so it got to this point where I was having this chronic fatigue, feeling dissociated all the time. I was having brain fog.
Like I remember since I work in tech and I do a lot of product design, like talking with developers. And development team and product managers and stuff and having meetings and having to report Daily on what we were working on like what we had completed the day before what we were going to do The day of and I remember like it was so bad for me That I like, I couldn’t even remember when I’d done the day before and I never had that problem before.
Yeah. I was so stressed out. That’s significant. Like you literally then from day to day were like, wait a minute, what? And you’d never experienced that before, right? Yeah, I was always like a really hard worker. I was always doing all the tasks. Like, so it wasn’t… I knew for me, it wasn’t me being lazy and be like, yeah, of course, like come up with something to report.
Like I had a log of what I did, but most of the time I could remember just off the top of my head, but I was having to refer to lists and my notes. And cause I mean, we have software that tracks all of the tasks that we were. And we would mark what was in progress and like what was completed and yeah, I like, I couldn’t remember.
Like, I might remember like one out of like 15 things that I had done. And that’s, that was like a huge sign to me that I’m like, I am so stressed out right now. And this is an external sign for me that I’m. Not doing well and me having a hard time focusing on stuff, and I’ve never been one that’s had a hard time focusing like unless I was like super sleep deprived or something on
I don’t think that we have to get ourselves to that point where We are falling apart. Like I remember feeling like my body is not functioning Well, like I’m having to push through the day like Yeah, it was, it was pretty bad and I kind of had to take a step back from a lot of stuff, like cut back on some hours that I was working and at that point, like in my life, modify some of my work setup or how I was working.
For, for this, this company and actually switch them to being like a client of mine so that I could like prioritize my health, but it was really rough. Like, I would not recommend anyone letting themselves get to that point. Like, unfortunately it happens sometimes because they think we can just keep going through it.
I like to think it does. Well, I know it doesn’t happen to everyone, but. I know there’s a huge tendency, especially in the tech world, like I know in the medical world, the burnout, like a real, real severe thing. And I feel like even just one of the simplest signs is when we, even before it gets really bad, if we just, Like subtly start to feel like being like, we don’t, we feel off, like we don’t quite feel ourselves.
I feel like that in and of itself is a sign to just kind of be careful that maybe we need to make some adjustments like, and sometimes it’s hard to know what exactly the adjustments that need to be made, whether it’s. Speaking up for ourselves at work and trying to make some changes or whether it’s just I would say taking some time off, but I don’t, I would like to be careful and say, sometimes just taking like a few days vacation or even a week is not necessarily what fixes all of that, especially if you’re at that dramatic of a point.
If we do take breaks, I would like to like counter that though. I think If we kind of get ahead of the game and make sure that we are taking breaks, then like having a mental, sort of a mental vacation where we’re not feeling stressed out all the time, that can help, but on the flip side, like if we’re constantly in an environment or doing things that are Okay.
Triggering our mental health in a negative way all the time, like, we’re still going to hit burnout, like, I can point that out, like, I remember thinking, like, I could take a million vacations, but, like, this isn’t going to fix the problem if I’m constantly in an environment that is going to make me feel like this, so sometimes we have to reevaluate, are we in an environment that is not a If we are in charge of the environment as leaders or in charge of the people that we work with, I think we have to evaluate as well, like, is this worth sorry, I’m trying to think of like how to word it, like, is it worth it?
That’s what I’m doing. Like, I’m happening to people that I’m working with, you know, because we, we have a lot of influence in that regard. And when we’re actually aware of how other people feel, then we, we haven’t, we can positively influence that. But I’ve been there in environments before, unfortunately, where like the leadership, I don’t know if it was just like lack of awareness or they just didn’t really care.
And it was hard because I remember like Seeing them lose a lot of good employees, like including myself, just because. They were promoting this like environment and culture that was leading to burnout for people. And people were very unhappy or just like, couldn’t keep up with the demands. So I think if we’re just kind of more aware of that, and I know sometimes it’s hard, especially in the tech world, cause we’re always trying to launch new things and new features and.
Make money and be successful all the time and I think there can be a healthy balance and sometimes it just takes some evaluating of how to like prioritize Those things, like how do we get these things done, but without killing the people that are working with us or for us. And I know that can be tricky and that requires some hard conversations sometimes, or getting out of our own heads and thinking that we know better.
And I think that’s often the hardest one is sometimes we think we’re so much smarter than everyone else when we might actually be contributing to. Someone else’s mental health in a negative way. Like I think we’d rather be on the end where we’re influencing people positively, right? So I think sometimes it just takes some courage to say, oh, hey, maybe I need to change or do something So it can either come from that from a leadership perspective or it can come from just inside ourselves Like the healthier we make ourselves then we start to make healthier choices and then you can decide Am I in a good environment?
Is this good for me? And I was the one that just needed to stand up for myself or speak up for myself a little bit more. Or do I need to make changes as a leader to make sure that people are happy here? Or people enjoy actually working with me? And yeah, so I think there’s a lot of things that we can do.
But, and it’s easier, I’m going to say this, yeah, it’s easier to know The signs of changes in ourselves, like once we become more aware of our bodies and like I’ve had to do a lot of different things from exercise and meditation and stuff like that to even recognize. The signs on my body was telling me or to have the courage to listen to what my own body was trying.
And it’s taken a lot of practice. So if anyone’s listening to this and being like, I don’t even know how the heck to like, how do I know what my body is telling me? Like, yeah, sometimes it’s just, it’s a lot of practice. Honestly, I feel like, but there are simple things like that where I’m like, are you just, are you chronically tired?
Are you like angry and frustrated all the time? Like for no reason when generally you’re not that way. Like does your, yeah. Like do your responses change to things or are you also experiencing brain fog or you just can’t function or, you know, like you have to know what your body is telling you, but those are things that happen.
To me, and it still can even happen to me, or I’ve had it happen, like, I don’t think it’s just a one and done thing either, like, we have to keep practicing this, and knowing how to stand up for ourselves, or just tell people, like, hey, I need a break, and I’ve done that with my own clients before, where I could tell that I was hitting a rough point, and not that I had to, like, necessarily yeah, absolutely.
Stop all my work all in all and just like put a huge pause on my business. Sometimes I might take a week off to just be like, Hey, this isn’t even like a vacation. This really is a, I just need to rest and reset kind of like. Break to just get me back on track. And I think that’s okay. And if you have healthy people in your circle, whether in your professional circle or personal life, yeah.
Like the right people will support you in that and like help you get back back on track. I just wanna point that out. So that’s also another sign I feel like if you are working with people or there are people in your life who, Mm-Hmm. . you’re expressing these concerns to and they have a negative reaction, then that’s probably a sign something needs to be changed as well.
Like you don’t want to keep surrounding yourself by those kinds of people who don’t want, who don’t want to promote your mental health or support it and help you get. You know, to a good place if you are struggling. So, yeah, sorry.
No. And and what I love about it too, is that you, I mean, you provide like for, for people that watch this, like, especially that are going through it or, you know, or see it approaching like, and need a break or need to kind of reassess some things. If that’s what I love about doing this is that getting these stories out kind of gives people permission, gives people permission to be.
To be people really is what it comes down to. We’re not we’re not robots out here. Like we do have, you know, feelings, we have needs, we are all different. So I love your perspective and kind of giving us all permission out there to kind of reassess and rethink some things. That being said, I do want to spend a moment or two with the time we have left here.
I mean, minty fresh designs. I mean, tell us a little bit about, about your business and what you do. So with my business, the primary services that I provide.
So I do website design as well and some development and also branding, branding services. So I like to take what I have learned just even from my own life lessons, even if it’s not just burnout or whatever. But I feel like a lot of what I’ve learned just in my own life has helped And I’ve just cultivated the skill of empathy and just understanding other people.
So this has been nice because not only is that just like a thing that I’ve lived through and just like this real life skills that I feel like I have just with social interactions with people. But it’s a very practical way that I get to put it into design, which I actually love. Like I’ve always just been a creative person my whole life.
I know user interface design is not necessarily always the most creative outlet, but it’s together with kind of a problem solving aspect of it. So, you know, there’s the interface part of it, but the actual experience part of it and trying to learn what’s frustrating people, what people are liking or what their needs are is something that I, I genuinely love and I love doing this and I like solving problems for people and figuring out like how to make.
Users happy is just, it’s a thing that I enjoy doing on a daily basis. And so I like that I can provide that service for other people, whether it’s for a software or an app or a website, or just. Helping go through revamp a lot of stuff or help people fix their their marketing messaging Sometimes that’s what I help do too in terms of design and layout and the user experience and even just understanding that so It doesn’t always have to be as complicated as diving into very specific features of the software either So I enjoy all those aspects of it.
I think it’s It’s very fun getting to know people and talk with people and interact and solve problems. So that’s what I enjoy doing Well, that’s great. And the type of the type of businesses you work with, so small businesses, midsize, like what, what kind of projects do you normally like to take on?
I tend to work with a lot of small businesses. A lot of startups do tend to like to work with me as well, but I work with a variety, even different agencies I’ve helped out as well, working. For their clients and doing a lot of different things, but I love doing all sorts of projects. So whether I mean, I’ve helped startups just from the ground up design brand new software and all the headaches and problems and stuff and research with doing that when you’re starting from the ground up, but I’ve also helped other companies who’ve already been established and.
Maybe they don’t like I’m just giving examples here. I’ve worked with some companies where they have Development teams like in place, but maybe not necessarily a lot of designers or maybe no designers at all So I’ll come in and help revamp a lot of the stuff I’ll point out developers think very differently than designers and that’s the benefit of having a designer like me come in because I can I’m not downplaying developers.
I love developers. They think the way to do for for their skill set but I kind of am like a middleman between like developers and And the people or users as we call them and so i’ll come in and maybe fix some features that have already been put in place because they try to They took an attempt and tried to build a feature or an application or something and I’ve done that plenty of times before where I basically come in and audit that stuff and then redesign it in a better way where it like makes sense.
So that’s something I’ve done a lot too, whether it doesn’t necessarily have to be the whole entire project or software application, like it can come in and just look at a particular. feature that is struggling or they see that like, this could be better, but what are we doing wrong? Cause like, we don’t have a UX designer likes to do this.
And I’ve done that a lot of times for websites. Well, like some people take a stab at building their own website and then it’s like, maybe not performing as well as they want, or it’s not making sense. Like I had one client before where they like, it is basically a startup company or a small business. And they’re trying to launch and make this.
App, you know, bigger and better and try to get the word out and people signing up for the beta and we can test it out and get like more feedback on it and stuff. But the software like wasn’t necessarily making sense in terms of what it did or how it would benefit them like on their, on their website.
So I’ve gone through and done things like that where I just do a big audit and then. Redo it all and like, messaging. So things make sense or highlight different features that can go through and like help try and drive better traffic to people’s websites. And so that things make sense, but you know, not only look nice, I like to emphasize, like, of course I like pretty things because I’m a designer, but I like things to actually be.
Usable. Mm-Hmm. actually helping a company make a profit or get more business or Yeah. Have, actually have it function and not just, not just look pretty. Of course I want, so it can be both, but I want it to be functional. Yeah. I don’t wanna design ugly things either, but like I want it to be usable and.
Making a difference for, for the business. There’s a lot of people that can make stuff look pretty, but if things don’t work, then like, what’s the point. Yeah. So, yeah. And if well, first off, I just want to say it has been so much fun having you back on the show, of course. And then also, I mean, we’re, we’re just, this is the beginnings of why I like to look at it.
We’ve been, we’ve been working on this book for, I don’t know, the last year. So now it’s out now. This is the beginning is what you. Start promoting and getting out there talking about it. So I’m excited to go on this next part of the journey with you as well. But that being said, I mean, if somebody wants to follow up, learn more about minty fresh designs or just connect or follow your journey.
I mean, what’s the best way for them to do that? You can go to my website, which is minty fresh designs, but it’s M Y N T I. Fresh designs with an s.com. Like my name. And so that’s an easy way to get in touch with me through contact forms or just looking at my portfolio there. But you can also find me on Instagram.
My handle there is just meant to fresh designs as well. It’s spelled the same way. So those are easy ways to get in contact with me for looking up on LinkedIn as well. Fantastic. And we’ll, we’ll put all that information into the show notes so that our audience can just click on the links and head right on over.
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So thank you. Thank you.