From HealthSpan Summit: the 7–14 micron sweet spot, rapid warm-up, and FIR’s role in pain relief & detox.
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On Mission Matters, Adam Torres interviews Phillip Wilson, President of Relax Saunas of Momentum, about far-infrared sauna tech. Wilson explains how FIR in the 7–14 micron range couples with the body’s water (≈9.4 microns), enabling deeper heat, quicker sweat, and meaningful relief—often in 15–20 minutes. He contrasts FIR with red/near-infrared, shares takeaways from 150k+ live demos, and frames his mission: accessible, consistent wellness through pure FIR.
About Phillip Wilson
Relax Sauna’s success in the American wellness market is closely tied to the work of Phil Wilson, a mathematician and long-time advocate for holistic health who has championed the sauna for more than two decades. After earning his degree with honors from Indiana University and pursuing graduate studies at Ohio State University, Phil experienced a powerful shift in the early 1970s that drew him into the world of natural healing.
Over the decades, he became one of the first to promote fasting, herbal medicine, pure nutrition, medicinal mushrooms, green powders, and oxygen therapies—long before they were widely accepted. His passion for holistic wellness and dedication to truth in health laid the foundation for what Relax Sauna would become.
In 2002, Phil was introduced to the Relax Far Infrared Sauna. Recognizing its unmatched technology and potential to change lives, he made it his mission to share its benefits with the world. Since then, he has showcased the sauna at more than 500 health conferences and personally introduced its healing effects to thousands of people.
Phil believes the Relax Sauna is the most impactful tool he has ever promoted, combining science, innovation, and personal freedom. His leadership has helped grow Relax Sauna into the trusted global brand it is today.
About Relax Saunas of Momentum
Relax Sauna is the only far infrared sauna that uses patented semiconductor chips registered with the FDA for therapeutic use in specific products within the Relax line. This advanced technology generates pure and consistent far infrared light without unwanted wavelengths, ensuring maximum safety and reliability. The result is faster heating, deeper penetration, and a sauna experience that is both safe and highly effective. Many users report feeling revitalized and balanced after each session, making it a trusted tool for daily wellness.
This purity and consistency are what make Relax Sauna truly unique. The precise far infrared energy produced by its semiconductor chips interacts naturally with the body, penetrating deep into muscles and tissues to stimulate circulation, encourage detoxification, and relieve tension from the inside out. Users often describe the sensation as “light soaking into every cell,” melting away stress and restoring calm to both body and mind. More than just a source of heat, the Relax Sauna delivers a deeply therapeutic experience that helps restore balance, accelerate recovery, and promote lasting vitality.
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Hey, I’d like to welcome you to another episode of Mission Matters. My name is Adam Torres, and if you’d like to apply to be a guest in the show, just head on over to mission matters.com and click on be Our Guest to Apply. Alright, so today I’m in Los Angeles, California and I am at the Health Span Summit.
And let me tell you, Elias and his team have put on quite. An event. If you haven’t been to one of these, you gotta come next year. I’m three years in already at this conference and I won’t miss it again. And let me tell you, my next guest is a return guest onto the show. I like to call him Sauna King. I don’t know if he likes that name, but Phil, welcome back to the show, man.
Well, my, my ex-wife. Because I wear a hat all the time. Yeah. She calls me Colonel Saunas. Colonel Saunas, man. We, we have stories. We were, I think, uh, we got, we got saunas setting up stories last time I think we were at CS or somewhere. We were, yes. We did an interview in the hallway. We had, we had a sauna set up in the hallway.
Man, I love it. We’re, we’re, you’re a creative young man. Oh me. He’s giving me credit. No, this is all Phil. Yeah, that was me. So for the guests that, for the audience that don’t know exactly who you are, what you do, maybe go a little bit into Relaxed Sauna and, uh, why you’re Colonel Sauna. Well, the, the Relaxed Sauna Company in Taiwan is they, the company is over 40 years old when they were established, and it’s an electrical company.
And they were asked by a. Company in Japan. Can you create that wonderful feeling they have at the hot springs in southern Japan where people would go and, and miracle miraculous healings would take place. Yeah. Like in Lourds and France. And so it turns out there’s a preponderance of far infrared energy at those places, and that’s what does the healing far infrared energy between the specific frequency.
And I don’t want to get mathematical on you, but it’s between seven and 14 microns. Mm-hmm. And the human body, according to Dr. Sherry Rogers in her book Detoxifier Die, which spawned the far infrared sauna industry, she said that we radiate far infra ray between three and 50, mainly at 9.4 microns. Hmm.
That’s the peak. And the water is a far infrared molecule also, and it’s at eight microns. So the far infrared. Energy. That’s the magic. That’s the magic potent frequency. You know, at Tesla, talked about the and, and so does Edison. The future of medicine is light and frequency and vibration. Mm-hmm. And so what the relax on a company did, even though plank’s law says you can’t.
But they use computer technology semiconductor chips, and they take the electricity and generate only the far infra energy. Mm. And so the relaxed sun has been tested by Polytechnic University near la. And by Harvard, MIT, science and Technology Lab, the, the energy coming outta the relaxant is a hundred percent far infrared energy.
Mm. And you, you know, curcumin and turmeric, right? Mm-hmm. Curcumin is the active ingredient in turmeric that helps it get rid of pain and all the great things that turmeric does. So. The far infrared energy between seven and 14. That’s the magic, that’s the active ingredient. Hmm. And when you and all saunas are good, the, the finished saunas, there’s a 20 year study raving about the fact that people do it four to seven times a week.
Their health is, their health and the age of their lifespan is so much greater than those in Finland who only do it once. Mm. Those are great. The far all, the far fruit, even the Amazon saunas, they all, everyone raves about ’em. Yeah. But you know, if you lived in a, if you, if you, if the grocery store is five miles from your house Mm.
And you don’t have a vehicle and I give you a vehicle like a bicycle, you’re gonna tell everyone how incredible your bicycle is. Yeah. And when you write in the Mercedes, I give you, oh my God. You’re can even say, I can’t believe it was so much shorter. Mm-hmm. It was more comfortable. And I can bring all the groceries back.
Yeah. Means you get the results. So the relaxed sauna, I think, I think the, the way to measure. The effectiveness of as sauna and the research, there’s thousands of mm-hmm. See, you know, far inre ray energy and the far infrared saunas is, is the Cinderella. Everyone is talking about red light and near infrared light.
Yeah. But those are the ugly stepsisters. They’re good. Yeah. And, and they have great results. And one man who, who actually wrote a book about red light therapy mm-hmm. And near in Fred. Uh, he p he interviewed us and sold about a hundred relaxed saunas. Mm. So this is not an either or, but I’m saying that the far infra, the red light and Yeah.
Near infr can do a lot of good things, but, but when you see the difference what far in Fred a hundred percent can do mm-hmm. Because it’s loving light. It’s soft because it’s the same frequency as you. Yeah. And so because of that. You don’t recognize it, so it’s absorbed into the water. Mm. And and penetrates two inches.
Now have you’ve been out in the sun? Yeah. Close your eyes in the hot sun. Of course. What do you feel inside you? Yeah, the warm. The incredible searing warmth course. Warmth to the bone. Yeah. That’s the far infrared ray. Mm. See the, the sun gives us 50, 40, 50, 60% near only a little bit of far. That’s the gem.
That’s the goal. That’s the diamond. Mm. And the, and according to Dr. Gerald Pollock, in his book, the Fourth Phase of Water, it’s the far infrared light. Mm. That’s, that’s the frequency. That, that creates more, he calls it exclusion zone water. Yeah. It’s like a, it’s like a gel-like substance where nothing can be dissolved into.
And he says that the, the far infra light gives the, the, the plants, Hmm. The power to move and to bend because it vibrates the water molecules. Why don’t, I’m curious, Phil. Yeah. How come As I’ve, because I’ve interviewed other individuals on different types of sons and other things Yes. And, and just look like you’re saying red light, red light therapy, all these other things that Yes.
That we’re talking about now. Right. Why don’t more people talk about this? About foreign threat? Yeah. Yeah. Like why don’t you hear more about it? I mean, obviously I hear when we have our conversations, right. But why don’t, and I, and by the way, for, for context, yes, I know some people definitely do, but I mean, in the media, like in general in these different spaces, I don’t hear.
I don’t hear a lot of people talking about it other than, other than yourself, but in Yes. In your circles. Well, that’s, I’m an educator. Yeah. Okay. And, and I’ve, I’ve delve deep, you know, I, I got into the Help food industry in 1971. Yeah, yeah. I got into fasting and all that. Opened up a Help Food store in 1980.
Mm-hmm. And I, I was very sensitive, so I can, I can. Eat a tablet, an herbal tablet, and I can see where it goes in my body and what it’s doing. Wow. So I have a sensitivity and, and I had an Amazon sauna for a year before. Mm. I got the relaxed sauna and night and day difference. Mm. I mean, the other sauna took 18 minutes to start sweating and 15, five minutes before I had a good sweat.
Yeah. The relax, it takes 30 seconds to start feeling the warmth. Mm. Feeling hugged by your loving grandma. Uh, feeling like you’re basking in a step down version of divine love. Yeah. In eight minutes you start sweating in 15, 18, 20 minutes you’re done. Mm. Complete sweat. Now, I think one of the reasons is that the, the, you know, most products and most people don’t know that, you know, whatever a manufacturer makes it for.
Yeah. It costs five to six. You have to sell it for five to six times. What it cost you to make, to make a decent profit. Yeah. ’cause you all the middlemen and the marketing and all that. Of course. Well, on the red light, they’re selling in it for 20, 25 times what it costs to make right now. Mm. So everyone’s going into the bandwagon and promoting it.
Oh, okay. But, but red light is good. It does. Yeah. Yeah. And you said it was good, by the way, you said it had, everything has its kinda like place. I understand. I was just curious. I was selling a little red light thing in the eighties. Wow. Okay. And, and then we, when we got the relaxed sauna table lamp, 10 out of nine out 10 people preferred the relax sauna Far and Fred Energy table.
Lamp, yeah. To the red light. Mm-hmm. And, and so, you know, and, uh, I have a, I have a man in Philadelphia who’s a doctor who’s doing a lot of research for us. Mm-hmm. And, and he’s, you know, he says, well, red light has these effects, but, but when you. Add up all the bene the, the main benefit is that only the far infrared ray energy.
Between seven and 14 microns, specifically according to Dr. Yamaguchi, who’s done a lot of research in Japan that vibrates the water molecules. Mm. And it’s, and that weakens the AIC bonds and releases toxic poisonous gases. So if you wanna detox Mm. The far infrared energy, that’s what does it more so than others.
The, the other, see, we work with vibrational and frequency and the others work with, um. Photonic energy. Hmm. But we go from photon to God photon. I, I don’t remember what, but, but, but we, there’s something else that the relaxed sauna does that other saunas don’t even do. Hmm. And it’s, it’s like, you know, I come up to people, they say, well, I got a $10,000 wooden sauna.
I have a real sauna. Yeah. I said, that’s nice, but, but if you go in here. You’ll find it, you’re gonna feel just a feeling. And by the way, numbers wise, how many people ’cause this? This will blow. This blows my mind every time. Uhhuh, how many people have you sat in one of these saunas? 150,000. 160,000 people.
Hundred 23 years. That’s amazing. I’ve, I’ve seen 30,000 minor or major miracles. Wow. Yeah. How do you feel, man, after 150,000 plus butts in seats if you were a fly on the wall? Stop. I can’t. Listening to people what they, no, what they say. I have been a fly in the wall. One of you at many A Affirm. Yes. This year I was a fly on the wall at a Affirm.
When I saw what you were doing in man, the butts in the saw circle. Well, we, we had one guy, you know, I mean, he, he’s had sciatica pain, like for six and a half weeks. Constant. Seven, eight. Yeah. Sometimes he’d go down to a three or five. He’d sleep for an hour or two. Yeah, he, he did a seven and a half minute session.
You know, you don’t sweat. ’cause it takes eight minutes to sweat. Yeah. And then he said, I want more. He, he did another seven and a half sweat session and he sweated like the dickens. And he came out and he was jumping up and down and he said, look, stop. No pain. No pain. Wow. And he said, and then he went on and said, it’s been for six and a half weeks.
Constant. Wow. And then he, he said, if I were a multimillionaire, I’d buy one of these for every old age home. They need it be because I mean, I mean, people, it’s hard to believe mm-hmm. That in five to seven minutes with your clothes on without sweating Yeah. That 50% to a hundred percent of your pain will be gone every time without fail.
Mm. And then you come back, uh, and you see it. So people come, yeah. When you’re in, they see at these booths are like, oh, I got this. Oh, I got that. And like, you’re like, all right, come on. Done this 150,000 times. It’s okay. Sit down. Right. Yeah. You know, I What keeps you motivated, like in doing this? Because you’ve sold a ton of these things.
I know you don’t have to be out there like promoting this message, but you are what keeps you motivated? My great love is I love to communicate. Mm. I, I, I, I love, I. Like, you know, to master the art of communication, you’re never finished. Yeah. And so there’s always a plus factor. And, and I just love the way and the magic of how spirit works.
Yeah. How, how the divine love works, you know? And. Where I can be there. And, and a lot of times, you know, I mean, I had an out body experience 55 years ago. Mm-hmm. And a year later I had a kundalini awakening where every cell in my body was energized. Wow. And body chemistry changed. And so I’ve been connected to this, whatever you call it, the force and Star Wars.
Mm-hmm. And it works through me. And, and I, I like to get out of the way. Hmm. And, and see who I can. Uplift and, and help them make the next step in their Yeah. Spiritual growth of freedom and being able to receive and give love and, and so it’s really a mission to. Help people awaken mm-hmm. To what they truly are.
And, and so you’re, you’re basically, your a ball of love. Mm-hmm. Oh, I know I am. I know. I’m, you, you are a ball of love. And, and, and like, uh, in, in, uh, that’s what I tell people and they say, I’m doing interviews and I’m doing this shot. I said, I’m just spreading love. I’m a conduit. It’s okay. That’s right. Yes.
I recognize the light within you. Mm-hmm. And I see it as myself. Mm-hmm. Therefore, I can’t treat you. With anything but kindness and warmth. Mm. Because you’re me. Yes. And, and I found out in, interestingly enough, I was at my, my health food store and the postman came in and he left and he said, have a nice day.
I said, wait a second. Namaste means I recognized the light within you, and I see it as myself, and it rhymes with Have a nice day. So that’s what the Americans say. Love it. So last thing I want you to do. Yeah. Um, look into the camera. How can people follow up? How can they learn more about relax sauna? Well, there are two ways you can go to YouTube mm-hmm.
And you can put in relaxed sauna testimonials. We have about a, a a thousand video testimonies mm-hmm. On people saying like, they come back three years later and they said, oh my God, I have to tell you what the sauna has done for me in the last three years for my patients, et cetera. Lyme disease is, you know, chronic pain, neuropathy, restless leg syndrome, and, and you go to relax on a testimonials, go to the relax on a page, and there’s like about a 10 or 20 interviews, uh, 10 or 20 talks and about a thousand, uh, people, five minute, three minutes, seven minutes, 15 minutes.
Mm-hmm. You know, spontaneous, you know, like they get out of the sun and say, oh my gosh, my migraine headache. Mm-hmm. I had it of eight. Uh, it got too hot, you know, I opened it up. I was at four. Mm-hmm. And then just talking to you for four minutes, it went down to zero. God, thank you. And then, uh, also the website and that’s important is relax saunas.com.
That’s plural. Relax saunas with an s.com. Amazing. So that’s how they, they can email me at [email protected]. And you know, we, we say. T taking a, we, we say experience the difference. Mm-hmm. Feel the momentum, the relaxed sauna. You know, I, I have, like I said mm-hmm. 10 people with $10,000 saunas, buy the relaxed sauna for $1,700.
As an upgrade. That’s awesome. And for everybody listening at home, just so you know, we’ll definitely put some links in the show notes so you can just, uh, click on the links, go check out, fill and Relax saunas. And, uh, speaking of the audience, if this is your first time with Mission Matters and you haven’t done it yet, hit that subscribe or follow button.
This is a daily show. Each and every day we’re bringing you new content, new ideas, and hopefully new inspiration to help you along the way on your journey as well. So again, hit. That subscribe or follow button. And Phil man, as always, appreciate you coming back on. It’s always fun seeing you again. Great times.
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