Adam Torres and Melissa Hughes discuss neuroscience and motivation.
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Motivation and focus are key to success in business and in life. In this episode, Adam Torres interviewed Melissa Hughes, Ph.D., Speaker, Author and Neuroscience Geek at The Andrick Group. Explore the truth around motivation and Melissa’s new book, Mission Matters: World’s Leading Entrepreneurs Reveal Their Top Tips To Success (Business Leaders Vol. 9, Edition 10).
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About Melissa Hughes
Having worked with learners from the classroom to the boardroom, Melissa Hughes has spent the better part of her career understanding how the brain works and how to make it work better as we teach, learn, create, and communicate in today’s hectic workplace. With deep roots in education, Melissa shares practical applications of neuroscience that enhances cognition and enables greater creativity, more effective collaboration strategies, and a more engaged workforce – all of which contribute to the culture essential for organizational success and personal satisfaction. As the author of Happy Hour with Einstein and a high-energy keynote speaker, it is a joy for her to illuminate the science behind the factors that impact how we think, learn, communicate and collaborate at work and in life.
About The Andrick Group
The Andrick Group is committed to delivering the kinds of high-quality, engaging, collaborative professional development opportunities that build the capacity for effective teaching and learning. All successful organizations strive for continual improvement. When processes or functions are ineffective, it’s standard practice to look for ways to improve them. But, one of most significant differentiators between highly effective organizations and all the others is their focus on improving the way they learn.
In the classroom or in the boardroom, learning is not a fixed trait – it is a skill that requires practice. When we understand how the brain works and how we can effectively nurture cognition and creativity, we can improve problem-solving, collaboration and innovation. The primary goal of the Andrick Group is to engage, inform, and inspire organizations to foster a “learning to learn” culture that perpetuates continuous improvement at all levels.
Additionally, they know that one size does not fit all; every community has unique challenges and needs. They take pride in their ability to provide tailored learning experiences by having a conversation, listening to your needs, and creating a customized workshop to meet those needs. They bring the best professional development learning experiences to you, within your budget, on your schedule. The Andrick Group offers flexible options in 2-hour, 4-hour, and 6-hour sessions for both large and small groups of participants.
Full Unedited Transcript
Hey, I’d like to welcome you to another episode of Mission Matters. My name is Adam Torres, and if you’d like to apply to be a guest in the show, just head on over to mission matters.com and click on be Our Guest to Apply. All right, so today is a very special episode. We’re bringing back Melissa. Hughes, me and Melissa have been working on putting together this book for, I don’t know, the last year or so.
Melissa is a speaker, author, and neuroscience geek over at the Andrick Group. Hey, Melissa. First I just wanna say welcome back to the show and congrats. We finally finished the book. Thank you. Thank you. It was a fun, it was a fun task. Oh my gosh. So we got, we have a lot to talk about. So of course I wanna dive into your content, which is always interesting and, and fun and exciting.
And of course we’re gonna be talking about some of your previous work. And you know, I have this right here always. So we’ll get into your other book as well. But before we do, you already know the drill. We’ll start this episode the way that we start them all with our mission matters minute. So Melissa, me At Mission Matters, we amplify stories for entrepreneurs, executives, and experts.
That’s our mission. Melissa, what mission matters to you? The mission that matters to me is understanding how the brain works and how the brain works so we can tap into our inner genius. Yeah, it’s great. I love, love bringing in mission-based entrepreneurs on the line to share why they do what they do, how they do it, and really what we can all learn from that so that we all grow together.
So, great having you back on. And I guess just to get us kicked off here, I don’t wanna. Assume that, you know, all of our new listeners or new visitors have seen maybe some of the previous work we’ve done together. So maybe talk a little bit more about your background and really how you got on this path of, you know, becoming a neuroscience geek as you call it.
Absolutely. Well, I do call myself a neuroscience geek, and I unabashedly own that because I love the research and I love the studies and I love the regression analysis, and I know that I am in a minority there because most people don’t. But what I. Most people really want to know the bottom line. Like, what does that study mean for me?
Mm-hmm. And how can I make my brain work better? And my neuroscience journey actually started in a fourth grade classroom. That’s where my career started. And I remember at the end of that first year, Sitting down with my mentor, kind of doing a postmortem, what do I wanna get better at? And my overarching question was, how in the world can I help these kids learn if I don’t understand how the brain learns?
Mm-hmm. And all of those factors that influence creativity and problem solving. And, you know, we want our kids to hang out in the thinking brain and you know, when they’re frightened or. Hungry or you know, have have any kind of negative emotions going on, then the survival brain kicks in and the thinking brain is not in charge.
So that was kind of where the neuroscience journey began. And after leaving the classroom, what I learned is that understanding how your brain works and how to make it work better is more important. When you leave the classroom. Mm-hmm. Because you know, we don’t have those guided learning experiences.
We have to count. We, we we’re in charge. We have to figure out our own learning. And so, yeah. So it’s been fun. It’s been a fun journey. And so since you’ve you’ve kind of been on this journey, obviously lots of zigs and zags and any career, I know one of the things that you’ve done is now you, you’ve done, as you’ve.
Built up your career, your name and your expertise. I mean, you do quite a bit of speaking. I’m, as I mentioned, I’m happy that we were able to publish you. And before we go into our book though, I do wanna talk about some of your, some of your previous work as well. So I have one of them, I have the other one, so I think it’s at home right now.
But I have happier Hour with Einstein here, which is the work which is the workbook companion to Happy Hour with Einstein, which I also have a copy of. And I, and I’m a big fan of, and I was telling you in the, in the warmup, I give these away to people all the time. Because I’m a fan of it.
Whenever somebody is is kind of in a, in a rutt or thinking about different ways to do things and they just can’t quite understand, I’m like, oh, I have the book for you. I have the book. I’m, no, don’t, don’t bring your problems to me. I got a book. I’m gonna send it to you. So what, what ins, what inspired the book, the series, and the brand?
Well, the first book was Happy Hour with Einstein, and a friend said, you know, I, I started to, to develop these, what I call neuro nuggets, and they’re all on YouTube, and it’s three to five minutes of some fascinating brain factoid that I learned and just have to share with the world. And so a friend of mine said, you really need to put those together and put ’em into a book.
And so I did. And that was Happy Hour with Einstein. Hmm. And then the feedback that I got in Happy Hour with Einstein, there was a gratitude journal in the back, and actually we really underestimate the power of gratitude and positive thinking in our, in the way it impacts our brain. And now we know.
It is not woo woo science. It is science. And so when you put it to work, it really works for you. So in Happy Hour with Einstein, I had the gratitude journal in the back of the book, and I get two pieces of feedback that really kept coming over and over again. And one was get the Gratitude Journal outta the book because I want to read the book and give it to somebody, but I don’t wanna give somebody else my gratitude journal.
Yeah. And then the other thing was they were very short. They were really designed to be nuggets of information and people said, gosh, what a tease you like, mm-hmm. You, you give me this nugget and I want more. I want more. Like, so can you dig deeper? And so I wrote, then, Happier hour with Einstein. Another round obviously.
And that one, you know, the chapters are much more in depth. Mm-hmm. And there’s a lot more there. And I also took the gratitude journal out, which is what you have there. It’s the Gratitude journal companion, so you don’t have to read Happy Hour to. Appreciate happier hour and if I had to recommend, if you could only buy one, I would say buy happier hour because it has more meat on the bones.
But that’s how it started and I have just been so fortunate to have such great feedback and it, and it fuels my fire, keeps me going. It’s so good and you’re helping a lot of people with this work, and I, I, every once in a while give my, my diagnosis when somebody asks me and I give them one of these books and I’m, and they’re like, oh, well, why is this happening?
And I, and I do my wild guest. But then, but I had a friend who asked me recently a very specific question, which I’ll ask you and of course putting you on the spot. So when you’re going through, and I actually have had this myself too, so when I not. Particularly with your book, but I used to write gratitude journals as well that were just regular in a notebook and it, I didn’t have all the companions.
And then what I like about your particular journals, that has prompts and it has things that force you to think in a certain way, even at a certain time of day. Mm-hmm. So whether it’s morning or night, can you maybe, It start with explaining kind of some of the science side behind, like how it was designed.
Because what I used to do, which I’d just open up a, I’d open up a notebook and start writing whenever I felt like it, but I was like, wait a minute, there’s more to this. Maybe start there. The Gratitude Journal is designed to, for every spread of the book is a day, and the left side of the book is the morning, and it’s for you to really.
Point your head in the direction that you want it to be in. So John Lubbock, there’s a great quote by John Lubbock and he’s an old dead guy, but he said a really great thing and it was you, we find mainly what we’re looking for. So if you get up in the morning and you. Say to yourself, this is gonna be a terrible day.
Oh my gosh, I’m dreading this day. Yeah. Then you’re gonna find all kinds of reasons to support that theory, and it’s not because. Terrible things happen, it’s just because you’re looking for more terrible things to happen. Hmm. So, you know that, that five minutes in the morning to kind of prime your brain to, to look for what it is you wanna find.
And so sometimes it’s, you know, today I really want to accomp. Like I think some of the prompts are like, you know, today will be an awesome day if. Or, you know, today, I, I, I’ll claim this day as victorious if, and you know, those, our days are different. And so sometimes you wanna nail a presentation and sometimes you wanna check boxes and be really productive.
And so what you’re doing by articulating that is you’re, Priming your brain to notice the opportunities that will help you get that thing done, whatever it’s, hmm. And then the right side is what you do at the end of the day. Ideally right before you go to bed and you look back on that day because, you know, we all have a to-do list that’s like a mile long.
And I don’t know about you, but at the end of the day, I look at the things that I didn’t get done and I, you know, beat myself up for, oh, I just can’t get everything done. And so instead of ending the day on a. On a high of, you know, look at this is what I did accomplish. Mm-hmm. You kind of end it with cortisol and stress and frustration.
And so when you can look back at the end of the day and say, you know, this is how I made the world a better place. This is what I accomplished, and, and one of my favorite parts of that gratitude journal is every day has a daily dare. And it’s simple things like tell someone you appreciate them when you look back and, and remember things like that, those positive things that you did.
The brain, as amazing as it is, has a really difficult time differentiating between I. A present experience and a memory of an experience. Wow. So when you, when you give someone a thank you card or you, you know, do, do accomplish something great, you get that big boost of dopamine. You get that I did it right?
Yeah. When you think about that, your brain gives you another boost of dopamine just as if you were doing it all over again. Wow. So when you look back at your day and you reflect on the things that you did well and the things that, that your accomplishments, the other thing it does is it, as you’re going through your day, You are will start to, it only takes 28 days to make this a happen.
Mm-hmm. But you’ll start to go, oh, I’m gonna think about that at the end of the day. Like, this is gonna be my thing. Right. That I think about at the end of the day. That’s true. That’s true. That does happen. Yeah. Wow. And so I’m curious, so on the, I found it’s kind of going through this, and then a friend of mine, this was the question that she had as well, is she said that sometimes like the, the end of the day, like that one, there’s always something new that comes up at the end of the day, right?
Because you’re, ’cause you’re thinking back and every day’s different. But the beginning of the day, sometimes that one’s a little tough. And I find, I find myself, and she said the same thing kind of sometimes writing some of the same things like about if you’re gonna, you know, if this is. What, what would make this a successful day?
I’m, I’m paraphrasing, but, you know, and to me it’s like, okay, I’m gonna, I’m gonna get outside and I want some sun for a couple minutes. Like that would be good. Get out of the studio. And then I find like kind of going over and over with some of the same things. Do you find that, say a thing or is there, is there like, is that becoming rote or like how do you kind of break past that?
Or is it okay? I don’t know. Well, I don’t think it’s wrong. So I would say, you know, is it okay? It’s okay. But the one thing that the brain really likes is patterns. Ah. And the brain. And the brain likes familiarity. Hmm. And so we often default to that thing that we know. Ah. And so for you to think differently, you have to be really intentional about thinking differently.
And so this is just one. So my brain is getting lazy. Our brain is very lazy. My brain’s getting lazy. It’s like, ah, go with the old sunshine, Adam. Don’t spend it like that. It’s not your fault. Fault. Don’t spend an extra minute and think, go with the old sunshine, Adam, sir Adam, and check it off the box. Oh, you lazy brain.
You, I know. No, it’s not your fault. It’s not your fault. But I will give you one little trick that you might try. Please, if this works for you. You know, today I’m going to look for something on my way to work that I never noticed. Oh. That that is something that is, we, we take that for granted. But you know, we have lost our sense of wonder by about the age of 10.
But that’s one way to inspire wonder, and wonder and awe. There are all kinds of studies on wonder and awe. Do amazing things for the brain, and it as simple as look for something that you never noticed before. Or today I’m gonna eat lunch at a com at a restaurant I’ve never eaten at. Hmm. So you’re breaking the pattern.
Oh, yes. You break the pattern and then when you start to do those kinds of things, then what you do is you open up the neural pathways in your brain and you’re, you’ll start searching. For different things, like, you know, I wanna be really productive. I wanna crank through my to-do list today. I mean, I can put that down every single day because of course that’s what I wanna do.
But if I put other things, like I want to find something that I never noticed before on my way to work, now that’s different. That’s intentional. And, you know, typically if you want, if you are looking for something like that, it’ll be something fun. Something. Yeah. Right. Well, you, well, you solved my problem.
And that’s a good one. So I, I’m calling Lazy Brain, taking over again. Speaking of the brain let’s. Let’s dive into the, to the, the latest published work, at least with us. The surprising simple truth of what motivates us. So lots of different angles you could have approached your content from.
I mean, you got tons and tons of research. Why this angle? Why now? Well, I think we, having just come out of the pandemic I think people are really reevaluating what work means to them. Mm-hmm. And sometimes I think we, we fall into a rutt, whether it is with personal relationships or professional relationships, or are the relationship that we have with our work.
’cause we do have a relationship with our work. Oh yeah. There are burnout, right. And the great resignation, and we’ve been hearing all of these words, and there it’s surprising the things that actually contribute to burnout. Mm-hmm. You know, burnout is not just doing the same thing over and over again.
It’s also doing things that are not challenging enough. So there’s a, there’s a rule called the Goldilocks rule and work should be not too easy. Not too hard, but just right. Because if it’s too easy, we get bored. If it’s too hard, we get frustrated. Mm-hmm. If it’s just almost out of reach, that challenge is like, you really gotta stretch for it.
That’s the goldilock sweet spot, and if you can find work that falls in that sweet spot, then you’re not going to get burned out. I mean, the other piece of this is it has to be work that you’re passionate about. I. And that aligns with your values. And so, you know, I think coming out of the pandemic and when a lot of people were leaving and not leaving for money, and not leaving for you know, necessarily poor work environment, yeah.
They were leaving because their work just wasn’t, wasn’t fulfilling to them. Mm-hmm. And you know, that’s all right here. So I, I just think I find that the, the way the quirks of the brain, like one you understand, Why things you, you process things the way you do. Well, then you can change them, but you can’t change what you don’t acknowledge.
Right? Yeah. And I wanna, I wanna get nerdy for a moment here because I al I always learn from you and I know, so this was a, a truism and one of your, your takes and you know, I’ve heard it said a lot of different ways, but the way that you wrote it in this particular book and possible to see the grass pattern when you’re in the grass.
Yeah. Maybe, maybe explain that and take us a level deeper than what I would normally say is you just can’t see it. You’re too close. It’s fine. Well, it’s, it’s true. And there’s science to back that up. And I, I, when I was a kid, one of my favorite, most vivid memories, childhood memories, was going to the Cleveland Municipal Stadium on Saturdays for the double header games.
Mm-hmm. And we’d sit in the cheap seats. We’d sit in the bleachers, and of course, my dad said this is because this is where all the. Home run balls come, but also good job, dad. What I know now is that my parents could entertain an entire family of five with popcorn and cracker jacks and hot dogs for like less than $20.
And yeah. But to this day, I remember how I would marvel at the grass patterns. Mm-hmm. I mean, I just, I just found them fascinating. And so in my family, Oh, one rite of passage was when you turned 10, you got to ride the riding lawnmower. Ooh. And I vowed that my yard would be epic. Like I was gonna have a major league baseball yard.
Right. So when I got to ride the riding lawnmower, I tried to do the grass patterns and I, and, and I was so frustrated because I couldn’t see them, and it wasn’t until I got off the lawnmower and went up onto the second floor balcony where I could actually see the patterns in the grass. Mm-hmm.
Neuroscience is so much like that because, you know, if you think about those times where you have like one of those, what was I thinking? Moments and we all have them right? The answer is you weren’t thinking. The answer is when we’re in those emotionally charged mm-hmm. Events that where we really need our best thinking.
Mm-hmm. You know, it’s the, if the wrong chemicals are flowing up there, then the survival brand is in charge. And when our survival brain is in charge mm-hmm. It’s first job, the brain’s first job is to keep us alive. Yeah. So if the survival brain is in charge, you know, there’s this kind of red alert that goes out and says danger, there’s a problem here.
And so it’ll. Pause the thinking brain allocate all the neural resources downstairs to the survival brain. And then that’s when we also have like, you know, fight or flight freeze or fawn. And, but we have all these other things going on in our body where our pupils dilate. You know, we start to sweat our heart races, you know, and if all of that is going on, we’re not thinking.
Yeah. So you know, if you’re, if you are really in one of those emotionally charged times, the best thing you can do for yourself is to go to the cheap seat. So, like you said, you’re too close to it. Take yourself out of the emotional space so that your thinking brain can be back in charge. I think it’s great.
And is there, like, give us a, a scenario of how you might do this. So for, and obviously everybody’s gonna be different, but let’s say you’re in, in a business scenario or something else and you’re, you already, and you know, so you watch this program and Melissa and you’re like, oh, she said it, she said it. I know it.
I knew I was gonna be doing this and I know it’s my survival brain, but what do I do again? Any tips on just kind of how to try to, I would use the word deescalate, but remove yourself, like any tips on how to kind of cope with that, especially if you’re newer to the concept? Yeah, so you know, there’s a lot of research out there now on breathing and what it does, you know, for our mood and for our disposition and all of that.
But what a lot of people don’t realize is when we do those, the deep. Inhale, hold it, and then deep exhale. What you’re doing is you are activating your parasympathetic nervous system. Now, the sympathetic nervous system is the one that is ignited when we’re excited. The parasympathetic nervous system is also known as the rest and digest nervous system, and so that system is running when everything is good with the world, and we can just kick back.
And you know, that’s our, that’s our restorative system that kicks in place. The best way to engage the parasympathetic nervous system is deep diaphragmatic breathing. Hmm. So if you’re in a situation at work and you start to feel your heart race, and you start to, you know, feel your hands are getting sweaty and you know that you’re, you know, if you can get outta that room for five minutes, right?
Or even just sit there in your in your chair and just deep diaphragmatic breathing, less than two minutes. We’ll ignite, you know, and engage the parasympathetic nervous system. And there’s a, the longest nerve in the body is called the vagus nerve, and vagus is Greek for wanderer. And it, it’s the longest nerve in the body.
And when you’re, you engage in diaphragmatic breathing, that vagus nerve actually says to the parasympathetic nervous system, everything’s okay. Yeah. Oh, and what I like about this too is that you can do that anywhere, right? Yeah. So you’re in a conference room, you’re a boardroom. So when we say like, you know, well remove yourself from the situation.
You can’t necessarily leave a meeting, but you can start very intentionally understand that your blood pressure’s rising a little bit, or whatever your symptom is of when you start getting a little bit more, you maybe your skin’s getting a little warm or something and you’re, and now you can just start, you know, intentionally.
Thinking about your breath while still being present in the meeting and still doing what you have to do. Absolutely. I think that’s great advice. Yeah. So it’s like, I wanna, I wanna dive into maybe one more point that you made in there. And just for everybody listening pick up a copy of the book. So we’re going to have the, the links already in the show notes so you can pick up a copy.
But I’ll read off a couple of the other kind of headlines there. So impossible to do your best thinking when stressed. When we feel positive emotions, the brain does, its. Best work, the decade of the brain key drivers, the human motivation, the Goldilocks principle you brought up carrots and sticks, the bottom line.
So lot, lots more content to cover, but I do wanna carry or cover maybe one more of these points here. So the decade of the brain what’s, what’s this all about? So the nineties, if you think back to what was happening in the nineties, you know, Beyond Seinfeld and Friends and Michael Jackson and, you know, really bad fashion, like rung pants and Right.
The other thing that was happening was technology was exploding. So if you think about the nineties, that’s when, remember the Nokia phones? I mean, if you had Oh, my cell phone, you were. So smooth, right? Yes. The Walkman we had pagers then, right? Yeah. So all of this, it was just an explosion of technology and George h w Bush and cooperation with the National Institutes of Health and National Institute of Me Mental Health and the Library of Congress created this initiative called The Decade of the Brain.
And they said in the nineties, we are going to focus so much on using this technology explosion to understand better how that computer between our ears works. Hmm. And we discovered a lot of things. I mean, we, for the first time in history, we could actually. Connect electrodes to our head and we could see what was happening inside the brain when we listened to rock music or when we heard babies crying, or, you know, we, when we watched a horror show when we drank wine, right?
Yeah. We, we could, we could see what was actually happening in the brain. And there were several key discoveries that came out of the nineties. One was neuroplasticity and this idea that, Neurons that fire together, wire together, and simplest terms, it just means the brain is a muscle, like any other muscle in the body.
And if you use a certain part of the brain over and over and over again, it gets stronger. And thicker and those neural connections, if you think of the connections like tree branches, those branches get thicker and stronger and they’re able to connect with other things. So when in the classroom we talk about prior knowledge building on prior knowledge I.
And that is one of the key things that came out of the decade of grape. And if you want to know more, you have to read the book. Oh yes. That teaser teaser. I do wanna spend a little bit of time though, also while, while I have you on the line talking about the Andrea group. So maybe tell us a little bit more about your work and really how you’re helping, you know, corporations and organizations.
So, I do a lot of speaking engagements. I do go in and talk. To smaller groups in more of a workshop setting. But primarily what I do are, are keynotes and presentations. And the great thing about my content is that if you have a brain or your people have a brain, then my stuff is, well, good for your content.
Anyone with the brain? Got it. Good. Good, Chuck? No, but what I find is that my content is, So well received because people really are interested in why we do what we do and mm-hmm. You know, there’s a lot of behavioral science, like we are so smart. Mm-hmm. And yet we’re so flawed, we’re so illogical and irrational sometimes and, you know, you start to dig into cognitive biases and we do things in our, completely, in our subconscious that drive decision making, that drive the assumptions we make of others.
That drive, you know, how well we collaborate on a team. And so all of this really is the kind of the foundation for company culture. So, you know, when I go in and talk about from an individual standpoint, your, these are some of your brain’s quirks and these are the studies behind it and you know, all the sciencey stuff.
But it is so simple then to connect all those dots and say, and that is how it impacts your company culture and your employee engagement and employee retention. You know, those are all the things that companies wanna do is have happy people in a, in a, in a well organized company where people feel like they’re making contribution.
You know, and just that like making contribution, like. PE com organizations want their people to contribute. Well, guess what? The brain says. People want to contribute like that. Yeah. That’s really fulfilling for us. And if we don’t feel like we’re making a contribution, Then we’re not gonna be engaged.
Yeah. So it, you know, we say, leaders say, I need higher employee engagement. Employees are saying, I need to make a contribution. Well, how can we bring those two things together and create the conditions for those things to happen? Because, It’s not impossible. And actually once you understand the brain mm-hmm.
It’s pretty fun to do so. Yeah. And one of the and speaking of, speaking of speaking, Melissa I know that you’ve been, I, I follow you on LinkedIn and some other social channels and I can, and I know you do a quite a bit in, in the hospitality space. I mean, you’re at, in Alaska, at Char. I mean, there was another conference, I think you got some more conferences coming up.
Like maybe, maybe tell us a little bit about that. So in August I will be at the Florida Restaurant and Lodging Association, and actually this is one of my favorite shows be I’ve been, this is my fifth year in a row. Wow, that’s amazing. At that conference. And the people there are just amazing, and I gotta say hospitality people.
Are the best. I mean, they’re, they’re, they’re the best parties, that’s for sure. The best conferences, the best parties, the best. They, they do, they want to be hospitable. They know how to, they know how to do conferences. But hospitality is just a good place for me to play because, you know, whether it’s restaurants or hotels.
Yeah. They’re all looking for, wait, how can we you know, provide an exceptional guest experience? Mm-hmm. Well, think about what all the science, all the psychology, all the behavioral science that goes into that experience in creating the perception that folks have. Because, for example, in the restaurant business, people create a perception of the food long before they taste the food.
Hmm. It has everything to do with the way the hostess greets them at the door. It has to do with the weight of the menu the lighting, the music, you know, all kinds of things. So hospitality has been a really fun place for me to be in. And just, it’s just fascinating the things that we can change, the little things that we can change that make a big difference in the guest experience.
Amazing. Well, Melissa, I know I know you’re always have things coming. You just mentioned the August August speech speaking engagement, and I know you’re busy, busy, busy. I’m happy that you were able to come back on the show, to start the promo of the recent release. I just have to ask, I mean, what’s next?
What’s next for you? What’s next for the entry group? I have another, I have another book that is percolating and yes, I love it. It’s, it’s in the hospitality space, so I’m very excited about that and really digging into the psychology of the guest journey. So that’s fun. So stay tuned for that.
And also, I am more than half finished with a goal setting, goal getting journal. For the younger generation for, for our friends ages 12 to 22, so like from middle school through the end of college, and I’m very excited about that one. Oh my gosh. You just said 12 to 22. You know what that means, right?
That’s for everyone. Like everyone, I know you have to say it that way, but I, I love a gold journal or something that’s just so easy to digest that you can like, focus on it and not get caught up. I, I can’t wait to get a copy of that for myself. So even though I may be a little bit older than those, than that age group, but I’m in I’m in.
So that being said, Melissa, if somebody’s, if somebody’s watching this or listening to this and they want to follow up and they wanna connect with your content, the books, the Andrew group, I mean, what’s the best way for them to do that? I. Melissa Hughes Rocks. If you get a contact, you can just send me a note.
If you wanna, if you want to subscribe to my neuro nugget, I send one out every Friday, and I’m a terrible salesperson, so I don’t try to sell you anything. I just give you really good, fun, brainy content. So yeah, Melissa Hughe. Fantastic. And we’ll, we’ll put all that information in the show notes so that our audience can just click on the links and head right on over.
And speaking to the audience, if this is your first time with Mission Matters, we’re all about bringing on business owners, entrepreneurs, executives, and experts, and having them share their mission. The reason behind their mission, you know, what motivates them, what gets them out there and fired up into the marketplace and into the world, and to make a difference.
If that content sounds interesting or fun or exciting to you, we welcome you hit that subscribe button. We have many more mission-based individuals coming up on the line, and we don’t want you to miss a thing. Melissa, as always, it’s been a pleasure. I’m so excited to continue promoting this book with you.
And thank you again for coming on the show. Thank you, Adam. I appreciate you.
