Adam Torres and Oksana Malysheva discuss venture capital funding for founders.
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Raising venture capital is a top priority for many founders looking to scale their businesses. In this episode, Adam Torres and Oksana Malysheva, Managing Partner & CEO at SputnikATX, explore what it takes to raise venture capital along with the new book Oksana will launch with Mission Matters.
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About Oksana Malysheva
Oksana’s favorite thing in the world is meeting founders with an unusual spark and an unrelenting drive to make their vision a reality. As the Managing Partner and CEO of Sputnik ATX, She gets to use her passion for leadership, mentorship, innovation and education to champion the development of world-changing companies.
She believes venture capital can spur positive social change, elevate the trajectory of the future leaders of thoughtful and innovative solutions, and ultimately leave the world in a much better place.
About Sputnik ATX
Sputnik-1 changed everything. It inspired humankind to look to the stars. Like Sputnik-1, Sputnik ATX is here to help makers lift-off. They are an Austin, TX based venture capital investor and accelerator that funds early stage maker-founders. We combine capital with training and experience to help startups reach their full potential. “Sputnik” translates to “partner”. They want to be your partner for take off.
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Hey, I’d like to welcome you to another episode of Mission Matters. My name is Adam Torres, and if you’d like to apply to be a guest in the show, just head on over to mission matters.com and click on Be Our Guest to Apply. All right, so today is one of my, my favorite episodes. We’re welcoming a brand new author into our Mission Matters community and into our bestselling business leaders book series.
So her name is Oksana Malva, who’s managing partner and c e o over at. Sputnik a TX Oksana. First off, hey, I just wanna say welcome to the show and welcome to the community. It’s my pleasure. Thank you so much. It’s such an honor to be part of this journey. Oh, well, it’s it’s our honor to work with you as well.
And what we’re going to talk about a lot today. So we got a lot of business owners, entrepreneurs, executives that watch this show and founders. We’re gonna be doing a deep dive into founders and, and what makes sense and what kind of founders you look for, what kind of businesses you look for. For really what you’re doing also at Sputnik atx.
But before we get into all of that, we’ll start this episode the way that we start them all with our mission matters minute. So, Oksana, we at Mission Matters. We amplify stories for entrepreneurs, executives, and experts. That’s our mission. Oksana, what mission matters to you? That is such a great question.
One of the reasons I love being here. Our mission is our name, sputniks. Sputnik had showed humankind what’s possible and made us believe it, what was possible before. So for us, we come to work to elevate our founder’s trajectory. Our mission is that trajectory in life and in business after encounter with Sputnik should be significantly higher than it was before.
And if we accomplish that good business and money will come. Yeah, that’s great. And love bringing mission-based individuals on the line to share, you know, their mission. You know, what wakes them up in the morning, what gets ’em fired up to go out there into the marketplace and to make a difference.
Again, great to have Jan and just to get us started here. So let’s go a little bit further back, like, how did you get started in business and really on this path to, to launching a Sputnik, a tx. Yeah, well I might mention that I became, I’m an accidental venture capitalist. If you were to take me back made to my college days the idealistic physicist in training, training in the former Soviet Union, I would’ve never imagined that I would be a venture capital.
Professional run venture capital fund in Austin, Texas, of all places. Who would’ve thought, right, like, that was not on my word? You mean isn’t that obvious? No, no. Like, listen, like truly the only Course that might have related to humanities and economics in my university’s curriculum was the history of the Communist Party.
So you could imagine how long a journey that is. Yeah. But in a way, if you were to look back, that’s kind of a wink to my younger self and maybe a wink to people who are truly determined to have a plan. I love you, I admire your, but sometimes you have to have universe. Take you with means to take you and pursue your individual passions.
Every part of my journey, I loved, I was trained to be a PhD physicist and I got it at University of Pennsylvania. I worked in consulting at McKinsey. I was part of marketing strategy team at Motorola. At the time of Razor, I was. An investor after that and looking back those building blocks, which I love individually, had put me in position to be really well prepared to do what I do right now, which is to work with the early stage founders.
I could not have designed a better training. The life had designed it for me. What I did in the moment is pursue them with vigorous passion and try to get better, but also keep my eyes open. For where my journey could take you. So to sum it up, an accidental but super happy venture capitalist. Do it with conviction.
And funny enough, every, like when I was at McKenzie, I may have used small portions of my physics journey, similar like, you know, at Motorola, like, you know, yeah. May not have been applicable right now. I could guarantee you that every single bit of my training is being deployed at one time or the other in my job as a venture capital.
So here we go. So I, I’ll tell you lots of different things you could do with your background, with your training, with your skillset, and I’ll, and, and I’m not putting words in your mouth, I’m saying this, I’m not putting this on you, but let’s just say founders, business owners, that we’re not the easiest to work with.
So I’m putting that on me. What drew you to, or what draws you to that passion to want to, you know, work with founders and help them succeed? Yeah, God. I mean, I think the favorite part of my job is working with founders and several reasons. While we are not the easiest people to work around, we are also the ones wallflowers have never changed the course of humanity.
And I think the most amazing thing to me about, because being a naturalized American, I get to appreciate a lot of things that people here might have for granted. Our capitalism is the fact that you could start a company and take it somewhere. The fact that you were to look at. But, you know, stock market have done funky stuff on us recently, but if you were to look at the top 10 by capitalization, I guarantee you that there would be at least half of it.
That was not on that list even 30 years ago. These were the companies that were funded by venture capitals just like myself. So because of that, when you see the founder who is on the mission to change the world, and you could help them make it from idea, To a smaller business, to a bigger business, grow the team, grow themselves, and really live 10 years in the future.
That to me, is amazing. Yeah. Another thing is I get to do a variety of things. Sometimes people who know me closer, like, you know, well, like you have such a wide range of interest or maybe such a short detention span, and to me, we get to invest at this early stage in anything from blockchain to nutritious donuts.
So I get to have an exposure. It keeps me sharp, it keeps me energized, it keeps me learning, which is amazing. So I love it. And one point of clarification here just for, for our viewers and listeners so, you know, the, the headline here is, you know, you’re funding founders outside of Silicon Valley, but you also fund, you know, founders in Silicon Valley.
Like you’re agnostic there. But the point is, is that, well, first off, correct me, am I if I’m wrong on that? Yes, you, you are exactly right. We do not discriminate against any geographies. Every and every geography is going to apply, but it’s important to know that our center of gravity is in Texas. And while we absolutely have some founders that came to us from Silicon Valley, even in this current cohort, majority of our founders do not fit the traditional stereotype.
50 miles from Stanford, probably a young guy in a black hoodie with a computer science PhD. I love them. I welcome them. But that’s not how every founder that they invest looks like. Mm-hmm. And the point, I love that you highlighted outside of the Silicon Valley, because that proves to people that new centers of gravity Yeah.
Was startups for venture capital emerging, and Austin is without a doubt, one of them. So, yeah. So t talk to me a little bit about Austin because I, you know, I feel like a lot of people f I’m in LA and a lot of people are moving there, moving to Texas. Like, why, why choose Austin? What, what’s important about that hub to you?
I am a naturalized Texan, super proud. And in a way, Austin has several things going for it. Really strong technology, talent. Mm-hmm. Because we have the outpost of Google and Apple and Oracle. So you could have this great engineering and fantastic university very business friendly laws. It’s big enough where you could have a lot of various professions coalesce and kind of like, just like big enough in terms of the actual.
Space to take it, but small enough where people are still very friendly and you could, was one or two connections. Discover someone. And my business partner, Joe Merrill, he is originally from Silicon Valley, so he grew up there literally in the wine country and kind of then spent his youth there. He saw a lot of.
You know, Silicon Valley was always prominent, but it was more dormant, I would say, in the late nineties until it really exploded and took off in the early two thousands. He saw a lot of leading indicators that led him to believe that investing in startups, In Austin right now would be a fantastic thing.
And we called it six years ago. And then of course right around Covid, the whole universe have moved here. So right now it feels like, I don’t even need to prove that Austin is a great place to start up. But here we are. I think the thesis was that new centers. Where the money will come, the talent is already there and the companies will emerge and the business communities will support them.
Mm-hmm. Who Emerge will emerge and Austin will be one of those that already showed up on the map right here. So I wanna speak on behalf of maybe other founders and just founders in general out there for a moment. And I, I think one of the questions that, you know, kind of is pretty assumptive is that maybe like most founders should be seeking venture capital or they, like, that’s a thing.
They need to get to that, to that next level. So I guess, you know, kind of point blank, like when does the company know, in your opinion when maybe they should be going to VC route? When they should be considering it? And I know that’s a broad question, so, and it’s gonna be different in every, in every, you know, situation, but high level, like when should a company be seriously considering that?
Adam, this is a great question and let me even build on that. Let’s also add if the founder should be seeking, oh, if even better, even better. Right, because I think you have to figure out, it all starts with your goals. First of all, if you look at how venture capitalists like myself make money, we are looking for companies that have potential to become unicorns.
So I. When I am looking at the company super early in its development, I have to see that magic wand and everything else goes right. This could be a unicorn, this could be an interest changing idea. And this could be the founder that will have the chops to take it there. That actually does not apply to every business.
And you might have like, listen, if anyone of the listeners will build a business that. Puts 50 million in revenue, takes half of it to the bottom line. Employs people has great culture. You have accomplished way more than most small businesses out there. And you will not, but you will not be a, the right one.
If your ceiling is 50 million, you probably will not be a good venture business because my model breaks down. So if you are. Starting a business. That could be a consulting shop, that could be a bakery, that could be a pure salon, that could be an ai, human facilitator, whatever it is, your chops. But you don’t have to aspire to be a unicorn for you to run a good business and add a lot of value.
But if your ceiling is. Not a, a unicorn. You may not have a lot of good luck with venture capitals, and I think that’s kinda to consider this what you’re trying to do. The second thing is your best money and your best first money are always from your customers. Mm-hmm. That is not the universal axiom, but most of the time the reason is, Are you gonna discover whether, whatever your great idea is, whether someone is willing to pay for that.
Yeah. Right. And that is a very, very important very, very important consideration that people often forget. And so when you get your first revenue from the customer, not only you would discover, well, I actually like it. My business is self-sustainable. I could grow at the pace I like and you own.
Most of your company all of your company you also more attractive to venture capitalists because you’ve shown that there is a sliver of the market that absolutely needs you. Desperately needs you. Mm-hmm. Now there are many ways to get it. You know, you could go to Kickstarter, you could.
Basically old-fashioned way. You could sell, you could market you could go to the business partners. So I think this is, this is another consideration now if you are wanting to grow really quickly, and when I say really quickly in the venture capital, Terms quickly means 10% a week or a week, and you wanna take over the world.
If what you’re building is truly the new, Google is truly the next tribe, then I really encourage you to talk to the VCs. Mm-hmm. And try to pick a good one. I mean, we could go and tackle on what does a good investor look like, how do you pick it, him or her? But I think the point is if we season, we season not for everyone.
And VCs, it’s not always a good place to start just with vc. Go sell some product, go discover what your customer needs, and you’re gonna be bigger company at a more attractive valuation that will be more attractive to vc. I actually think that’s a very relevant question and I, I wanna get to that one. So what, what, what should a founder be looking at and a good vc.
So let, gimme a second on that one though, because before that I do want to and, and that could be next. But I do want to I do wanna kind of say like, so from the founders standpoint, I stick of that a little bit longer. So Oksana, what are some of the things that you look for and like, or that you think are a good business to invest in, in the terms of you searching for these unicorns?
Like what makes a unicorn in your eye? So let me uncouple that because I think many people will look at the different parameters. So what we usually look, we look, we invest re really early on. So at Sputnik we typically are the first investor. I sometimes joke after friends, family, and food. Often we’re the first professional investor, and so we are usually looking big idea.
Remember I mentioned my magic wand early on? Everything else goes right. You know, you have no constraints of any kind. I could see that this is a billion dollar business in valuation, that I should see that you are making at least a hundred million in revenue. So your market should be big enough. Your idea should be big enough.
You should be the founder that I could seek, grow with this because it’s a very different. Story. You’re tinkering your garage. Was the idea that could take over the world was you actually leading a big organization? Yeah. That is taking over the world and adding a lot of value. Mm-hmm. So from that perspective, we are certainly looking for that.
We are looking for idea that is meaningful and pro produces a lot of value and a lot of my business partner who’s an economist, he likes to bring people back to economic concept of the consumer surplus. What are consumers willing to pay for the product versus what are you actually charging for the product?
So, for instance, all of us familiar with Facebook, which is free to most people, but most of us probably would pay, knowing how it presents, probably will pay some dollars a month, maybe 10, like the price of three coffees to stay in touch with all of our friends all over the world and be able to exchange the photos and do all that jazz.
Mm-hmm. So you look at any of the social media that we are so active on. We would’ve paid some money to actually be president, but we don’t have to. So that’s our consumer surplus. So we’re looking at that. We’re looking for a founding team that we think could grow and could grow together. Usually. A hustler and a hacker is my favorite combination.
But we love to teach nurse how to hustle how to sell and scale. Big idea, strong consumer surplus. Mm-hmm. Big market and the founding team that could grow was the idea. Those are the four things that we always, always are looking for. Oh, and I got a new term today, Okan. I’m taking that with me. We look for a hustler and a hacker.
That’s awesome. I love it. So now circling back to the question that you posed which I think is now, is now very relevant, which is, okay, so that’s one end of the. Thing. The other end of the equation, let’s say is, you know, you’re a founder out there. You meet that criteria you’re talking about, you’re thinking about, okay, you know, you’re watching this interview and you’re thinking about, okay, maybe we should really start seriously considering the VC route.
What should these founders be looking for in, in a in an early stage investor? Yeah, I mean, this is a great question and I think not enough founders are. Asking that question. Mm-hmm. While raising money is daunting, and to be frank, it has to be because I’m investing on behalf of the people who have entrusted me with their pensions.
Yeah. So my fiduciary duty is to be a good steward of that money. Venture capitalists and any investors need the founders just as much as the founder needs venture capitalists. Yeah. So I think that’s really, it’s a business relationship. It’s a relationship. And not no relationship is ever. Just give good relationship, you know, in life and in business.
A give and take and where you could grow together cause of that. I always encourage founders to interview your investor just as much as the investor will be interviewing, because we are discovering fit. And investor has to, obviously has to bring money, but also do they have experience in this field?
Do they have the connections that would help me open doors? Will they teach me something that I don’t know? Will they, will they introduce me to people that will elevate my perspective. Will they be good, fair business partner because. Let’s face it, when you take on an investor, it’s easier to divorce your spouse than divorce the investor.
This is a long-term relationship. All of those things matter. Yeah. And so because of that, you have to make sure that you are getting with people who, with the right expertise. Mm-hmm. They’ve played in this industry before. In other words, test them for competencies, if you will, but also test them for chemistry because with the right investor we’ve been without, we are going to, with our founders through thick and.
Then like, look it just even recently the Silicon Valley bank collapsed. Mm-hmm. Where we have been tackling everything from seven in the morning and the phone was the founders trying to figure out solution, trying to look up the laws. One of the founders was actually, In Europe where he’s a US citizen was a US company, but the business is domiciled in Europe.
Mm-hmm. A different time zone waking up. And like living through the day when everything is closed in his time zone and like, oops, like you no longer have access to your money. So that suggests a day in a life of founder with investor and good investment partner will be right there with you. And so you wanna be testing for that.
You wanna be looking for the stories. I always, always encourage the founders that we invest in. To go and speak to our alumni. Hmm. Because I’m not for everyone and I shouldn’t be for everyone. So you have to discover like, how is she in the meeting or what is she like, what was she helpful? And based on that, you know, what’s the team like?
What’s the environment? Do you like other founders? That alumni, there are a lot of questions because you are in many ways buying into an ecosystem, even though I’m the one that is paying you money. Hmm. And I wanna, I want to I wanna switch here just a bit jump around just a bit. So, I, I know you mentioned a couple things about Sputnik atx, but I do wanna go a little bit further.
So you’re, you’re investing in, you know, you’re looking for the next unicorns, you’re looking for big businesses and in businesses that have the potential to get really big, I should say, and become the next unicorns. You’re also definitely an, an early stage founder or excuse me, early stage investor getting in there pre getting, investing pretty early on.
Take it further, like, tell us a little bit more about maybe whether it’s industries or just tell us a little bit more about the firm overall in the firm’s vision. Oh, pleasure. So the, our vision, we are generalists. First of all. We’ve started with the inside that We love nerds being a physicist by training my business partner, Joe Merrill, he’s even a bigger nerd.
Mm-hmm. And we love life-changing nerds and we wanted to support them in business. What we realized is that outside of the Silicon Valley, where the lure on how to start up is basically being bred through a small, and you probably could bump and have coffee with a lot of people that live this either directly or vicariously outside of Silicon Valley.
Those rules un. Unexplained, let me put it this way. Mm-hmm. So here we are as investors telling the founders him is founder. Go change the world with your life change idea and we won’t explain to you how the game is played. Right. Hmm. And that I think is not fair. So if we’ve studied a lot what had worked in the Silicon Valley, we’ve took a lot of inspiration from the really vulnerable shops like Y Combinator, like benchmark and recent hobos, and what they’ve done well, and we’ve internalized a lot of that for our system that identifies really breakthrough companies early select them and teaches them how to sell on scale and then gets them started.
The startup game. Jokingly at some point I’ve explained, okay, we run kindergarten for gifted and talented startups. That’s we’re in the business office. And that is not incorrect. So because of that, you know, not many people specialize in kindergarten, as I’ve mentioned. As long as we see your ideas powerful and we like you as a founder and we see a strong consumer surplus.
Mm-hmm. And you have a product in a customer, we don’t take anyone earlier than that. If you don’t have a product in a customer, you are too early for us. Yeah, then we could consider you for our investment, and then we will teach you how to sell and scale. Okay. That’s great. It’s a great story. And one thing I wanna also just have you maybe elaborate a little bit as you kind of go through, you know, the vision is the idea of non-traditional founders.
So I don’t want to like assume that everybody knows what that means. Now you, you did give an explanation, you know, the typical, let’s just say Type of founder that may go to, to Silicon Valley. Maybe he already knows the rules, right? Maybe he went to school in the Ivy League, or he or she and you know, maybe that was their route and they, you know, they’re already on that path so they know.
But for those that don’t know the rules of the game tell me a little bit more about what you consider like a non-traditional founder. I. Yeah. If I could pause that question and mention to you, because I don’t like to lead with that, I want to finish with this, like, it’s very interesting, but as we see, my duty is to deliver the best investment outcomes.
Mm-hmm. For my investor. That is my only duty. When I come and I sit with this chair as a venture capital, that’s my goal. And we are very good at this and so I would call that, you know, we have. More than 5,000 startups applying a year and through various channels. We invest in about 10 a year. We do it twice a year.
We’ve invested in 61 companies. Mm-hmm. Almost more than 85% of them is still in business and we are attracting to 84% i r r You probably, if you have money, should be saying, great, where could I sign up? Okay. Mm-hmm. Yes. And I would, and my story right here, however What is interesting, if you look under the hood, we are extremely diverse.
We are diverse geographically. Gender diversity race diversity nationality, diversity, like pretty much any diversity you’re gonna throw at us. We’re gonna eat it for breakfast. We are more than 50% of our founders are either women on minority led. We are 10 times national DC average. Investors and black founders and twice national census, those are somehow best performing companies.
Mm. I think more than 40 something percent of our, 43% of our companies out women led. Mm-hmm. And a story could go on. So to me, my commitment is to spectacular returns. Mm-hmm. But if we are looking broader, if we are actively quoting the founders that the rest of the world might be overlooking or maybe not.
Not according to come and visit with them. Mm-hmm. You’re gonna get great returns because we are literally picking Adam, we are picking the cream of the crop. Yeah. Of the people that the rest of the world had overlooked because they had a really good supply of more traditional founders. And listen, I never discriminate against anyone if my last five Stanford computer scientists.
Guys in their late twenties to early thirties are gonna, they’re gonna get my check. Yeah. But interestingly, if you look at the world broader, you discover that spectacular founders could come from anywhere in the world. Mm-hmm. Wow. And that, that’s so interesting to me because it’s kind of, maybe it’s kind of counterintuitive to maybe the way some people think about it, but you’re proving it and you’re proving it with your returns too, and you’re proving it with everything else.
And, and the way I see it is that the diversity of ideas, So obviously the people are diverse and everything that you said, you know, kind of in your, in your rundown of, of stats, but the diversity ideas that come out of different communities, different geographies to me like everything that you’ve been talking about today in terms of your mission and really making improvements in the world and moving the needle and improving the quality of people’s life and, and the marketplace, of course.
Like that’s exciting. That’s inspiring. I absolutely agree, and I think it’s important. Again, that’s why I. Stepped away from, I always like to talk about performance before I talk about Yeah. Diversity. Because if you look at pure diversity and say, oh, likeactually has a diversity mandate. Yeah. I’m proud.
Our diversity, we published it twice a year, but my number one mandate is to produce the top returns for our shareholders. Mm-hmm. But it’s interesting that if you look at the world, not through one dimensional lens, you find that diversity is a secret weapon. I wanna jump around again and shift topics here too.
We’re not going to en and just for everybody watching this, just so you know, we’re listening to this. We’re, we’re not going to do a deep dive on this, but part of this part of this interview is bringing Oksana on to, to our show, to introduce her to our community, and also to announce the upcoming books.
So Osana, we’re gonna bring you back on the show, of course, for a second interview where we will actually do a deep dive into our Upcoming book that we’re co-authoring together. But just keeping it high level what are some of the things that you hope to present in the upcoming book? That’s a great question, and having just finished that chapter, I’m excited to talk about this.
I think my industry is really unique in how we think in most of the world and also as humans, we are generally. Encouraged and trained to give the negative as much or more weight as the pastor. What could go wrong versus what could go right? Usually for everyone that is what could go wrong.
You’re gonna need seven. What could go right to feel emotionally equal? Yeah. And that’s how, if you are, you know, in your relationship and your career choices, in your education choices, in your pretty much anywhere, most of the world has those things balanced. As a venture capitalist, if I apply that thinking I lose.
Yeah. And so in my job, good VCs, Will help founder discover what could go right, not poke holes because it’s super easy. They’re like kindergartners, remember they’re business kindergarters, so you could poke holes and flank almost every single one of them. My job is to figure out what could go right and encourage them to go for that bigger journey.
And I think that is a really fantastic way of thinking that. In in the book, I gonna un. Invite people on a journey to have some time in their life and their calendar that they’re committed to, where they could only think about what could go right? Mm-hmm. They could fly. They let themselves fly because I think we don’t allow ourselves to fly and we feel shackled way too much in our daily life.
And as a VC you are being trained and you’re being pushed to think like this because that’s the only way you win. From my perspective, and if you look at the big betters, they look at, my biggest mistake is the mistake of a mission, not mistake of commission. And for most people, that’s not their daily life.
As a result, it’s not their daily intuition. So I kind endeavor to encourage people to think more about what could go right. Yeah, I’m gonna cut you off there. I’m not gonna ask follow-up questions intentionally because that, that’s our cliffhanger for the audience today. We’ll be bringing Oksana back on, don’t worry cause we have plenty more questions and when we bring you back on, by the way, obviously the book will be live then people will have it in their hands.
They’ll be able to read it and interact. So all good there. Well, Sana, I just have to say you know, having you on the show today, it’s been a pleasure. I welcome you into our community and I just have to ask, I mean, what’s next? I mean, what’s next for you? What’s next for Sputnik? A tx well I’m glad you asked.
There is always, when you are surrounded by people that change the world, that rhythm is very contagious. And for us, we are super happy with our performance in Fund one. And as our kinder, our garden is growing and moving into primary and secondary school. We are raising fund two that is gonna invest and double down on the winners that have discovered and kind of so we could build this pipeline and support these founders going further.
So that is a huge next personal challenge for me in supporting the founders and raising that fund. So that’s the next chapter, so stay tuned for that. Oh, that’s exciting. And if somebody’s watching investors Yeah, listening like, like I’m easy to Absolutely. And what I was gonna say is, so, you know, if somebody’s watching this or listening to this Oksana, if they wanna follow up, whether they’re a founder looking to apply or they’re an investor looking to maybe get more involved what’s the best way for people to connect?
Well, my super secret email, oxana sputnik atx um.com, also our website, sputnik atx.com. I’m obviously on LinkedIn on. Telegram on WhatsApp, on Twitter and all, and Instagram. So please connect whichever medium works for you. I am there not obsessive the there I might add because most of the time I like to spend with my founders.
But all well written notes usually get answers. Set. Fantastic. And we’ll put, we’ll put all that information in the show notes so that our audience can just head right on over by clicking on some links. And speaking of the audience, if this is your first time with Mission Matters or engaging in an episode, we’re all about bringing on business owners, entrepreneurs, executives and experts, and having them share their mission, their journey, you know, why they do what they do, what we can learn from it, so we can all grow together.
That’s the whole point of mission matters as a platform is really learning so we can all grow together. If that’s the type of content that sounds interesting or fun or exciting to you, we welcome you hit that subscribe button because we have many more mission-based individuals coming up on the line and we don’t want you to miss a thing.
And Oksana, really, it has been a pleasure. Can’t wait till the next time we get to do this together. So thanks again for coming on.
